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trialist · May 05, 2010, 01:35 AM // 01:35

Boycotting wouldn't work for the simple fact that the gaming population isn't static. People are still being born and people are still ageing. Thus the pool of gamers changes every year. Its the reason the old as hell box sale strategy still works till this day.

All they have to do is just interest their potential players enough to make them buy their game and mission accomplished, job done. There isn't any real need to maintain and coddle the current playerbase cause every year potential new blood flows in.

Its a bonus to have a loyal playerbase ready to buy your products, sure, but not a necessity, not with a box sale strategy.

ightgg · May 05, 2010, 01:45 AM // 01:45

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Originally Posted by -Sonata-

If Anet came here and gave a response on botting, the only thing it would show is that any response they give would never be good enough. Especially on this forum.

So my personal conclusion:
Anet does care, but is fully aware that responding here to the issue is pointless and a waste of time.

Actions speak louder then words. If they care to fix it they will do it without "validating" their actions based on the opinions of gwguru members. You just provided the most logic response by anyone in this whole thread. Thank you

Puebert · May 05, 2010, 02:06 AM // 02:06

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Originally Posted by II Lucky Charm II

Management problems and botting issues will most likely happen again in Guild Wars 2. The only way for us to make Anet more serious about botting problems and their ways of dealing with customers is to sign a petition to boycott Guild Wars 2 . This is the best solution in my opinion. We have observed from guild wars 1 that they do not care about us after they already got our money. Think about it, people. Every company will get serious once it comes down to money.

Oh my God I hate your posts. Boycotting video games doesn't work. The only game that really deserved it was L4D2, and I and many others bought it anyway. I suppose you can try to boycott GW2, but I'm gonna wait and see how it looks, and if it looks fun I'll buy it. I think the only reason we get so few updates is because of the small size of the team.

And as many have said, botters can get around any changes the live team makes very quickly. While I do agree they should do something about the .dll problem (I don't know how difficult it would be to fix though), I don't think it's in their best interest to drop everything to address this when they could keep working on the new content people have been waiting for.

I'm still waiting for the PvP focused update that was due after last anniversary...

spun ducky · May 05, 2010, 02:26 AM // 02:26

I am sure I am one of the smaller groups of old school players that remembers how out of control botting was back when gw first came out. There is a reason that every tengu group just about has an enchant stripping mesmer now. Riverside Province use to make the raptor bot farming seems tiny. They used a holy wrath/retribution build before holy wrath,healing hands, and mark of protection were nerfed.

The reality is not only for gw but games in general the techniques used to cheat have gotten far more advanced. A good comparison is the aimbots for first person shooter games. The first aimbots used pixel color tracking and now a days they use the game's own hitboxes,models,etc which is far more accurate.

Infanta · May 05, 2010, 02:35 AM // 02:35

This thread is getting a little ridiculous... talk of "boycotting" a game... seriously? Some of you seem a little too invested in this game. If the bots are bothering you, don't play. Simple solution. There are other things to life other than Guild Wars, and much more productive ways of spending your energy than trying to raise a big stink about something which probably doesn't even affect you.

It's about time some people grow up and realize it's not that big of a deal.

Puebert · May 05, 2010, 02:38 AM // 02:38

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Originally Posted by Infanta

This thread is getting a little ridiculous... talk of "boycotting" a game... seriously? Some of you seem a little too invested in this game. If the bots are bothering you, don't play. Simple solution. There are other things to life other than Guild Wars, and much more productive ways of spending your energy than trying to raise a big stink about something which probably doesn't even affect you.

It's about time some people grow up and realize it's not that big of a deal.

For people who PvP, botting is a problem.

Ninja Ninja · May 05, 2010, 03:05 AM // 03:05

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Originally Posted by Puebert

And as many have said, botters can get around any changes the live team makes very quickly. While I do agree they should do something about the .dll problem (I don't know how difficult it would be to fix though), I don't think it's in their best interest to drop everything to address this when they could keep working on the new content people have been waiting for.

I still think the live team taking an official stance against the botting and banning people for botting would reduce the amount of lazy bums jumping on the bot craze, its a shame the bot programs didn't have key loggers so we all could not feel sorry for the people that got hacked.

Nerel · May 05, 2010, 03:11 AM // 03:11

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Originally Posted by II Lucky Charm II

Unless you have a more effective way of countering these interrupt bots, you can't really say that the method I put forth is an asinine one.

I can think of an infinitely more effective way of countering interrupt bots... banning them, unfortunately Anet/NCsoft doesn't seem to care.

Reporting is a joke. Unless you're running an incredibly obvious farm bot churning out gold for some RMT scumbag Anet just doesn't seem to care in the slightest.

I doubt GW2 is going to fair any better. Way to fail Anet.

Edit: On a related note... many of these bots are just so RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing obvious when you see them in action even a blind lemur coming down from a three day crack binge could spot them... why not have some of the Anet GMs actually behave like GMs... you know, Game Moderators for RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO sake... people who actually OBSERVE the game. We could do with less half assed CR crap and instead have some REAL GMs ingame watching trouble spots...

Edit 2: My apologies if that post seemed offensive, I in no way intended to suggest that vision impaired lemurs with a substance abuse problem are less observant than the rest of us... now if only Anet could hire some.

StormX · May 05, 2010, 04:45 AM // 04:45

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Originally Posted by Nerel

I can think of an infinitely more effective way of countering interrupt bots... banning them, unfortunately Anet/NCsoft doesn't seem to care.

Reporting is a joke. Unless you're running an incredibly obvious farm bot churning out gold for some RMT scumbag Anet just doesn't seem to care in the slightest.

I doubt GW2 is going to fair any better. Way to fail Anet.

Edit: On a related note... many of these bots are just so RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing obvious when you see them in action even a blind lemur coming down from a three day crack binge could spot them... why not have some of the Anet GMs actually behave like GMs... you know, Game Moderators for RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO sake... people who actually OBSERVE the game. We could do with less half assed CR crap and instead have some REAL GMs ingame watching trouble spots...

Edit 2: My apologies if that post seemed offensive, I in no way intended to suggest that vision impaired lemurs with a substance abuse problem are less observant than the rest of us... now if only Anet could hire some.

Agree 100% If anet can bother to ban people for stupid stuff like inappropriate name or dropping one too many F-bombs they can take the time to ban SOME of the botters... that at least would be better than doing jack squat. For those who say that if you ban them, others will replace them... well not everyone is a RMT with 1243254355 stolen accounts. For those farming PVE or PVP titles, what is the point of getting r12 luxon or r6 glad if your account gets banned, never to be used again? I'm sure the threat of ban would at least make the average player think twice before loading up his freaking prog

Torpoon · May 05, 2010, 05:24 AM // 05:24

/Signed

I realize this is a five year old game, but if botting gives players an advantage(aesthetic or not) in GWII then I don't know what to make of this. I am not that big on title hunting but I have played loads of hours in my four years in Guild Wars. My ranger is currently working on R2 KOABD and it is discouraging to see how so many already have gwamm and I think, did anybody really drink alcohol for days and days? No, many of the GWAMM achived their status by botting, destroying the game for the rest of us and do you know who gets rewarded in the end? The botters, they destroy pvp and more, and get a reward at the end of all this in the next game.

I have high hopes for GWII, at this point I may still buy it. But I am greatly disturbed that botting would be neglected like this to a game still RELEVANT because they made it so, they made it impact GWII.

zolidamasta · May 05, 2010, 08:57 AM // 08:57

Guild wars lol....1,5years of bspamming,then botwars.This game is dead.They are simply lowering the upkeep cost and wait...Do you wanna hear this?:We are working on gw 2,so we can suck out morey money from you with Bot Wars 2. Enjoy.And after another 4years they´ll start to work on Botwars3.Nice business model.ANSWER LL NOT HAPPEN(like updates).

and ofc /supersigned

Drake Slasher · May 05, 2010, 09:34 AM // 09:34

Some of you are talking like GW is the only game with botters. Demanding a response to such an obvious thing like botting is clearly stupid. Of course they are aware of botting, but they can't prevent it, they'd have to investigate each report , taking up lots of time that they rather spend on their priorities (GW2, yeah , money is better than keeping an old game new). Banning a player who has an inappropriate name takes seconds, banning a bot takes at least minutes. Accept the fact that bots are getting more advanced and that companies like anet or blizzard or whatever have to move on to newer stuff and slowly abandon the older stuff. Botting exists in every mmorpg/online game, obviously more in the older ones, since the producers have less time to take care of the game. In time, older games become more bot infested (look at D2, epic botfest). It's kind of a natural process, sad but true....just accept it.

Mcsnake85 · May 05, 2010, 10:27 AM // 10:27

I really dont care about all that...
The only thing that make ma sad is that i cant use bot...why?because im sure 100% that if i use bots i get catch and banned, and i have only 1 account and a lot of thing to loose...friends first of all...
I sign just to know what anet want do about this...so
/signed

lishi · May 05, 2010, 10:29 AM // 10:29

Clearly boicotting gw2 is a stupid idea, but the current status quo is not acceptable, i will either leave the game or start botting myself.

I don't seem my reaction so strange, so probably most of the guy here feel the same. And that is not good for the game

Karate Jesus · May 05, 2010, 01:40 PM // 13:40

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Originally Posted by Mcsnake85

I really dont care about all that...
The only thing that make ma sad is that i cant use bot...why?because im sure 100% that if i use bots i get catch and banned, and i have only 1 account and a lot of thing to loose...friends first of all...
I sign just to know what anet want do about this...so
/signed

I would be shocked if they could catch you. Currently, Anet doesn't have any way of catching bots outside of player reports, behavioral patterns, and retarded 3rd party programs that give themselves away. Even if Anet fixed the launch client to prevent .dll injection, there would still be no way for them to determine who used it. On top of that, people use another botting program (which, again, I can't mention) that runs like a macro, so there's no way to distinguish between it and normal mouse/keyboard macros.

Oh, and PvE'ers who think bots don't concern you, currently there's another .dll bot that's about to go public for farming ectos/drops in ToPK and it can do the run in exactly 2 minutes. On average, it can farm around 12-20 ectos per hour. If people start running it on dozens of accounts, don't you think that might affect ecto prices and eventually you? Just something to think about.

Essence Snow · May 05, 2010, 01:44 PM // 13:44

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Originally Posted by Karate Jesus

Oh, and PvE'ers who think bots don't concern you, currently there's another .dll bot that's about to go public for farming ectos/drops in ToPK and it can do the run in exactly 2 minutes. On average, it can farm around 12-20 ectos per hour. If people start running it on dozens of accounts, don't you think that might affect ecto prices and eventually you? Just something to think about.

Woohoooo! Cheap ectos....lol...

Paradise Lost · May 05, 2010, 01:53 PM // 13:53

Bots make me LoL.

/notsigned

Mcsnake85 · May 05, 2010, 02:08 PM // 14:08

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Originally Posted by Karate Jesus

I would be shocked if they could catch you. Currently, Anet doesn't have any way of catching bots outside of player reports, behavioral patterns, and retarded 3rd party programs that give themselves away. Even if Anet fixed the launch client to prevent .dll injection, there would still be no way for them to determine who used it. On top of that, people use another botting program (which, again, I can't mention) that runs like a macro, so there's no way to distinguish between it and normal mouse/keyboard macros.

Oh, and PvE'ers who think bots don't concern you, currently there's another .dll bot that's about to go public for farming ectos/drops in ToPK and it can do the run in exactly 2 minutes. On average, it can farm around 12-20 ectos per hour. If people start running it on dozens of accounts, don't you think that might affect ecto prices and eventually you? Just something to think about.

Im sure they catch me XD , i have bad luck...in my game-life never use bot or cheat, but im sure if i start use them they catch me immediatly..just a bad feeling nothing else =P
Btw, ok ok, agree with you.. bot that farm ectos affect game, but i say "I dont care" not "they dont ruin economy of game"...I play gw not for farm but to test,enjoy quests,mission,elite area and i always said that in GW weapons dont count nothing because obsy edge = crap 15-22 sword (with all mods), so i dont care =P =P

Karate Jesus · May 05, 2010, 02:08 PM // 14:08

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Originally Posted by Essence Snow

Woohoooo! Cheap ectos....lol...

Trust me, they wont sell cheap. Most botters are smart enough to keep from selling low regardless of how many ectos flood the market.

Just like cupcakes. People still sell them between 75-100k/stack regardless of the fact that they were botted and flooded the market. They should have been 60k/ea or less, but people were refusing to take that.

The same thing will happen with ectos.

Iuris · May 05, 2010, 02:57 PM // 14:57

First, the tone of the thread is incredibly immature. Peritions to demand responses? Where have good manners, polite behavior and similar gone? Also,how, on what basis would one demand a response?

Anet has limited means. Only so many people can go hunt buts at a time, and the better the bots get, the harder they are to distinguish from real players. Doesn't mean Anet doesn't ban bots or combat them - it's just much easier to launch a bot than to pick one out from the thousands of players online, not all of whom act in a human-like way. As long as there are people launching bots, you'll see them in the game.

Also note what Anet is actually offering you: the ability to play the game. All else is extra. They're not actually obligated to go out hunting any bots at all - they do it because they are a good company and want the players to have a pleasant experience. Remember - Anet only gets money if you trust them enough to buy more of their titles. Considering that, they've done far more than we should expect given that we have not paid anything more than our purchasing fee.

I feel that the general tone of this thread really shows the ingratitude of far too many players.